Usman Active Participation in Islam Community Moderation
It is really amazing that the conditions which were promised by the "Raheel" the "co-owner" of the community was Usman will not remain moderator.
As I am going to show the reality here how Usman is actively participating in the moderation of Islam community can this co-owner who came forward and showed he is real muslim and promised Usman wont take part in moderation tell me whats going on?? or what they think who i am that i cant understand their games??
Decision taken my the co-owner of islam community "Raheel"
3. My thoughts about the possible decision:
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3.1 About Usman:
Usman has shown his regret about the words that he used for the Prophet (PBUH) and has apologized on that. He has also said that it was totally unintentional and he also said Shahada (as a token that if his statements had taken him outside the fold of Islam he is reciting Shahada again on the safer side). He also declared that he has "decided to offer no contest" against Aamir's arguments against him. All these things show that he has wholeheartedly accepted his mistake and hasn't allowed his ego to some in between.
But disrespect to the Prophet (PBUH), even if done unintentionally, is still considered a big offense. There is no way that it can be let pass through without taking any notice. This becomes even a big mistake when the doer of it is a moderator of an Islamic community. So We recommend that Usman Malik should be freed from the burden of moderation from the Islam community, however we request him to stay as an active member of the community.. Rest of the issue is between him and Allah and we pray that Allah may forgive his this (and other) mistakes and give him taufiq to avoid any in future.
Click here to see Raheel post
Oct 12
Raheel
3. My thoughts about the possible decision:
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3.1 About Usman:
Usman has shown his regret about the words that he used for the Prophet (PBUH) and has apologized on that. He has also said that it was totally unintentional and he also said Shahada (as a token that if his statements had taken him outside the fold of Islam he is reciting Shahada again on the safer side). He also declared that he has "decided to offer no contest" against Aamir's arguments against him. All these things show that he has wholeheartedly accepted his mistake and hasn't allowed his ego to some in between.
But disrespect to the Prophet (PBUH), even if done unintentionally, is still considered a big offense. There is no way that it can be let pass through without taking any notice. This becomes even a big mistake when the doer of it is a moderator of an Islamic community. So We recommend that Usman Malik should be freed from the burden of moderation from the Islam community, however we request him to stay as an active member of the community.. Rest of the issue is between him and Allah and we pray that Allah may forgive his this (and other) mistakes and give him taufiq to avoid any in future.
Click here to see Raheel post
1 - What usman is doing in the thread:
New Rule Needed about “Disrespect of Prophets”
Oct 29
Usman
Walaikum salaam Sami,
You asked for my opinion on the thread, I have just recently posted my concern here: http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=21165834&tid=2563269499815088372
You asked for my opinion on the thread, I have just recently posted my concern here: http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=
Click here to see Usman post
My Comments:
1 - who asked usman opinion in making rules???
2 - is he moderator??
3 - if he is not moderator than who and why asked usman opinion??
4 - who allowed usman to make a thread about "Blasphemy laws and their implication" in moderation community??
5 - or all that which was played by raheel was just a drama to keep usman behind all the moderators and still allow him to do moderation indirectly??
2 - What usman is doing in the thread:
Sana's Ban Issue [Her stance on the accusations]
sunni books
Nov 4 (1 day ago)
Usman
Assalam u aalaikum,
Kindly let me just put a simple proposition up. I think this whole episode will not only waste time but will end in stalemate. Can we kindly just simply come to a mutual compromise just now!?
Kindly let me just put a simple proposition up. I think this whole episode will not only waste time but will end in stalemate. Can we kindly just simply come to a mutual compromise just now!?
My Comments:
1 - who asked usman simple proposition here??
2 - how he is participating in a thread which are for sana and saifi or modertors??
Nov 5 (1 day ago)
Usman
Let me be very concise once again. I agree with the SaNa's point only on the part that many Hadith historians seemed critical and skeptic to quote and include Hadiths narrated by Hazrat Abu Huraira r.a. but nevertheless his services are enormous and unparalleled! My only objection on him ever to come is the fact that all the Hadiths against women or harsh towards them mainly originate from him. And ok that is the "it" of it all.
Then Dawood has presented the hadiths were Prophet of Allah, Muhammad s.a.w.w. clearly warns against targeting these people so who am I or anyone else to judge them! But then again let me agree to SaNa, a man's nature is to be critical...that is how we all have evolved over the times. Therefore we can be critical, but then again I want to pinpoint the falacy in the argument of SaNa that the fear Abu Huraira r.a. showed is not necessarily "fear after doing a wrong" but rather can be "fear of doing a wrong". Dawood very rightly tried to even hint at that.
Saifi is very right to the part where he is talking against accusations on Abu Huraira r.a. at least its even part of my aqeeda too to come up and talk when its about respect of Companions being tested wrongly (not during a critical analysis but during a wrong and fallible argument). But I also believe how Saifi is carrying out this whole discussion is hurting him the most.
As I wrote on the second page of this very thread, I am going to repeat my request...time is being wasted due to this drag! It will serve no good and let me assure you no minds are going to be changed because majority of us are embedded with biases right from the start. And I am sure no sensible person expects someone to change his/her 20-25 year old belief set just in a one thread of Orkut!
I at this moment demand this topic to be stopped because apparently after so many requests from everyone you two have not heeded to it. So now I am really demanding to stop this drag.
Kind regards.
Then Dawood has presented the hadiths were Prophet of Allah, Muhammad s.a.w.w. clearly warns against targeting these people so who am I or anyone else to judge them! But then again let me agree to SaNa, a man's nature is to be critical...that is how we all have evolved over the times. Therefore we can be critical, but then again I want to pinpoint the falacy in the argument of SaNa that the fear Abu Huraira r.a. showed is not necessarily "fear after doing a wrong" but rather can be "fear of doing a wrong". Dawood very rightly tried to even hint at that.
Saifi is very right to the part where he is talking against accusations on Abu Huraira r.a. at least its even part of my aqeeda too to come up and talk when its about respect of Companions being tested wrongly (not during a critical analysis but during a wrong and fallible argument). But I also believe how Saifi is carrying out this whole discussion is hurting him the most.
As I wrote on the second page of this very thread, I am going to repeat my request...time is being wasted due to this drag! It will serve no good and let me assure you no minds are going to be changed because majority of us are embedded with biases right from the start. And I am sure no sensible person expects someone to change his/her 20-25 year old belief set just in a one thread of Orkut!
I at this moment demand this topic to be stopped because apparently after so many requests from everyone you two have not heeded to it. So now I am really demanding to stop this drag.
Kind regards.
Nov 5 (1 day ago)
Usman
and I did miss, kindly refer to the Dawood argument in the last post for any objections left. And now lets have this topic closed!
Nov 5 (1 day ago)
Usman
honestly people I want this to stop now! This is being extraordinarily dragged!
Nov 5 (1 day ago)
Usman
Ozair
Ban them both if they post even a single further post on this issue! I am serious! Its getting annoying now!
Nov 5 (1 day ago)
Usman
Ozair
My intention for calling for ban is clearly on the basis to stop this whole dragged-issue!
If SaNa is banned it will be injustice as it will make this community look like a wahabi-Sunni Islam community where Shia'ts are not allowed!
I do not even understand why our Sunni brothers are so much over reacting given its not a news to anyone that a considerable number of Shia't Muslims do not consider Ashabs to be of the same piety level we do! But then again we don't consider the twelvers infallible like they do!
So can't we just stay quite on the issue? Instead of bring it up repeatedly? After all we are Muslims and we are supposed to hide each other's faults and yet we act contrary to that and try to "highlight" other's faults in order to claim our psuedo-religious-intellectual-superiority! Or just some ego-mania!
For Allah's sake both sides! Stop acting like a god! Let Allah be the judge!
If SaNa is banned it will be injustice as it will make this community look like a wahabi-Sunni Islam community where Shia'ts are not allowed!
I do not even understand why our Sunni brothers are so much over reacting given its not a news to anyone that a considerable number of Shia't Muslims do not consider Ashabs to be of the same piety level we do! But then again we don't consider the twelvers infallible like they do!
So can't we just stay quite on the issue? Instead of bring it up repeatedly? After all we are Muslims and we are supposed to hide each other's faults and yet we act contrary to that and try to "highlight" other's faults in order to claim our psuedo-religious-intellectual-superiorit
For Allah's sake both sides! Stop acting like a god! Let Allah be the judge!
Nov 5 (1 day ago)
Usman
Saifi
members can se what Sana did, and she either needs to appologize or stick action should be taken
Brother just one question. Do you think this is the first time a Shia't commentator has used Sunni texts for his/her benefit of proving a certain point?
Nov 5 (1 day ago)
Usman
i am willing to discuss alot other issues and bring who actually did wrong ,,,
And what will happen after that, SaNa will accept the conclusion and leave her aqeeda?
Nov 5 (23 hours ago)
Usman
yaar, I cannot believe it. I am getting tired. I honestly believe this is towards no resolution! In essence such a ban would be deemed an attack on rights of people who do not entirely believe in the aqeeda others tend to :)
Nov 5 (23 hours ago)
Usman
I did not even say that all Anti-woman ahadith are strangely attributed to Abu Huraira.
Well I do have a reason to believe that your observation on last one was wrong. But anyway, the point highlighted above is which I raised :)
Well I do have a reason to believe that your observation on last one was wrong. But anyway, the point highlighted above is which I raised :)
Nov 5 (23 hours ago)
Usman
Sami
I disagree with your point-2.
And with point-3.
Point-2 on the ground that I believe there is no need to ban her anymore for any reason. We cannot force change her aqeeda, as I have mentioned it before several times.
Point-3 on the ground that more this issue is dragged more insanely outrageous this is sounding. There are things which should be let go and given in the sole domain of Allah. You believe in that I am sure.
And with point-3.
Point-2 on the ground that I believe there is no need to ban her anymore for any reason. We cannot force change her aqeeda, as I have mentioned it before several times.
Point-3 on the ground that more this issue is dragged more insanely outrageous this is sounding. There are things which should be let go and given in the sole domain of Allah. You believe in that I am sure.
Nov 5 (23 hours ago)
Usman
Fardeen
Well that could be one reason for some people but my explicit reason was wrong "criticism" towards him :) Critical is welcomed as I even put up a point myself.
As bolour have explained it recently:
3:44 pm (1 hour ago)
Bolour
To the complainant
Saifi didnt remove Sana from this community but I did as this comunity os only for Moderators and Ex-Moderators to decide the policies of Islam community.
click here to see bolour post
More Posts By Usman on Different threads regarding moderation issues
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is usman helping in deciding policies of community being an ex moderator??
Nov 5 (21 hours ago)
Usman
Ajaz
Hmmm ok to be very honest, I do agree with the main theme of your message. But also I believe its very evident that a large number of Shia'ts believe that "wrongs" were done with Ahle-bait and that too by certain number of companions. Without showing the anger towards them I guess they believe the whole purpose of their aqeeda will not be fulfilled. Though I personally disagree with the ideology of cursing, but I guess thats pretty much the reason or even the justification presented.
More Posts By Usman on Different threads regarding moderation issues
Oct 30
Usman
well I guess there is pretty much consensus of going on with it. Then I guess my prayers are with you all and above all the members that such rules don't end up being the rules which are abused world wide.
Btw there is a thing called unwritten rule, sometimes harshest rule can be just implemented without being written anywhere. That is called cultural law. Like for example every place's law has few things which kind of lead the whole written law and are derived from the general preferences of the community. I hope that can be considered as an option.
Allah Hafiz
Btw there is a thing called unwritten rule, sometimes harshest rule can be just implemented without being written anywhere. That is called cultural law. Like for example every place's law has few things which kind of lead the whole written law and are derived from the general preferences of the community. I hope that can be considered as an option.
Allah Hafiz
